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  Survey: Are you Agnostic or Atheist or Christian?

  by Iamallcool in

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  i am agnostic.

  i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.

  please answer my question.

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  The Rebel

  I would say having left the J.W organization and this site for a few months, I have discovered such questions about believes have been asked by my new " WORLDLY" friends, However what I believe, what they blieve, and most importantly the next day what ever we believe, it's irrelevant, I am accepted or not accepted for who I am.

  So my answer is " I am, what I choose to be" Jehovers Witnesses" can label that I am a " Worldly person" and I may even now be an "atheist", but what counts is what is inside the label.
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  Survey: Are you Agnostic or Atheist or Christian?

  by Iamallcool in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i am agnostic.

  i will count how many agnostics, atheists and christians that are reading this forum regularly.

  please answer my question.

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  The Rebel

  I think " Are you Agnostic, Athiest or Christian? is missing many other " labels" " Hindu, Muslim, Buddhist ect". As for me I wouldn't call myself God, but " I am" what I choose to be. The person we are, who we really are, is not our belief, but who we are inside. That's when a person is challenged to be seen as an individual, not a label .
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  Has waking up ever made you physically ill?

  by fizzle in

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  has waking up ever made you physically ill?

  perhaps because of the emotional strain etc..?.

  if if so what were / are the symptoms?.

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  I love going to bed, either after the reading of a book, or watching an old T.V western show on you-tube with my son. I think if my life is more complicated, more stressful the problem could be not being able to sleep, which could make me "physically ill when I awake. However I had enough of those sleepless nights when I left the W.T, and I am never going back their.

  I am lucky when I awake I have my wife next to me, but I have noticed her world seems a little stressful. I call it unnecessary doing too much, " Charity work, Bussiness goals, and too many friends" keep life simple.
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  Our first act of rebellion against the Watchtower.

  by The Rebel in

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  one day at art class, we were told we were to draw a naked woman.

  i knew as a witness this would be wrong, but i awaited the lesson in anticipation, it would be the first time i had seen a naked woman.

  i remember sitting at my esal waiting ten or fifteen minutes for her to appear.

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  The Rebel

  Darknight " Have you continued with your artistry?"

  My house has both my boys and my paintings, hanging in every room.

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  Has anybody read " Alone in Berlin" by Hans Fallada? The book is fiction about a simple German man and his wife who loose a child in the war. They then realize they can't ignor Hitler's ideology and let it go unchallenged. Their rebellion is to write a message on a post card each day, and leave it in a place people can read it.

  Its a bit like leaving a tract with someone, multiplied by a thousand it can became effective.

  Can you imagine if each ex-witness wrote a note to a witness saying why they left? It wouldn't make people leave, but the G.B would hear about the apotsocy and foolishly make an issue of it.
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  Wow what do you think true story

  by poopie in

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  this is an actual case.

  a jw was recently disfellowshipped heres the reason.

  he was and elder and regular pioneer at the time baprized 40 years he decides to rent a room from a women who rents rooms out to singles ,he moves in and there's another guy there also renting a room he happens to be disfellowshipped .

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  Off topic, but renting a room at his age is also a sad part of the story.

  I remember an elder who had a nice house and family, he often used to say he wished his circumstances allowed him to rent a room and pioneer. Sadly that is your typical hypercritical elder. So the elder in your story is not typical of a conservative elder, and thus gives credibility to the story. Outsiders are always eaten by the wolves in the J.W organization, and that includes elders.
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  Im Going To Approach A Witnessing Cart Today

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
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  the city in which i work is flooded with those witnessing carts.

  today im going to approach one of them and pretend i dont know what they believe.

  gonna try and record it if i can.

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  The Rebel

  Darknight757 ; " Ask them " What is your policy on beards?"

  We had an elderly lady in the congregation who had a lot of facial hair. So not sure I would ask that question if I see her on the cart.
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  Im Going To Approach A Witnessing Cart Today

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
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  the city in which i work is flooded with those witnessing carts.

  today im going to approach one of them and pretend i dont know what they believe.

  gonna try and record it if i can.

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  The Rebel

  I was in Rickmansworth a village outside London, and I saw two middle aged ladies "womaning " a Witness Cart, I was tempted to approach but they were laughing with a real cockney guy, who was selling fruit and veg near where they had the cart. So I decided to observe, and noticed something I hadn't seen before with a Witness Cart, these woman were great ladies, saying hello with people in this little community as accepted members of the village. This really impressed me. They presented themselves as equal not better than people. Yes maybe I should have gone and said something controversial, but I felt they probably had elder husbands, and so when I went over I simply said, " You seem great people, but I can't say the same about your church, so I won't take any literature, however can you tell me where I can buy a Donnor kebab? Thus putting their witness time to good use.
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  The right to shun - wrong?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
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  many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

  it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

  of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

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  Rainbow -Troll . Great observation and post thank you.
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  Our first act of rebellion against the Watchtower.

  by The Rebel in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one day at art class, we were told we were to draw a naked woman.

  i knew as a witness this would be wrong, but i awaited the lesson in anticipation, it would be the first time i had seen a naked woman.

  i remember sitting at my esal waiting ten or fifteen minutes for her to appear.

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  The Rebel

  One day at Art class, we were told we were to draw a naked woman. I knew as a witness this would be wrong, but I awaited the lesson in anticipation, it would be the first time I had seen a naked woman. I remember sitting at my esal waiting ten or fifteen minutes for her to appear. I remember first the removal of a pair of thick glasses, then the removal of her dressing gown, and she sat down. She was naked, and I was embarrassed, it did not seem right to look at her. How old was I? Sixteen, seventeen? And then something strange happened, once I started to draw I found I could look at her as if she were a statue. There was no excitement just the challenge of being an artist. However during the break when she put on her gown and talked to us about our drawings she became very desirable, on many levels .

  Looking back on that history, I realize how stupid I was to feel wrong about any of this, it wasn't as if I wanted to get her in bed, and what should have been an artistic challenge for me instead caused me much anxiety because I felt I was doing something secret and evil. I now prefer to reminisce on the experience and think that was my first " act of rebellion" against the watchtower.
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  The right to shun - wrong?

  by Simon in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  many people are understandably upset and angry at the notion that jws have the right to shun people.

  it seems such an obvious "no brainer" cruel and inhuman thing to do - it must be wrong ... surely?.

  of course we look at things from the perspective of those hurt and harmed by shunning.

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  The Rebel

  I honestly believe the Governing body do not force anyone to shun. People shun because they are shunners, many a witness in good standing I have known to ignore thiis commandment from the G.B, and I believe it's because it's simply impossible for them to shun, it's against their nature, and they don't do it.

  That's not to let the G.B off the hook,trying to inforce the evil policy.( the reason it is done is to control information, and keep the community away from worldly association, hence celebrating birthdays and Christmas is a shunning offense) Its also not a blanket condemnation on shunners, some do it simply because they believe it's the right thing to do. But my observation congregations were like a pack of wolves, made up of people who enjoyed hurting the weak.

  To clarify those that have shunned me, must take individual responsibility for shunning me, blaming an organization doesn't give them a free ticket.